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sonicfantom
08-04-2011, 12:34 AM
tl;dr I need lenses.

So today at the PSNZ conference, I was magnetically drawn to the Canon & Sigma trade stands. I had the great opportunity to shoot with a few different lenses, and a rundown of my initial impressions follows.

Disclaimer: I only had a few hours, and didn't shoot enough for a proper test. These are my impressions and opinions only.

First up is the Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L. When I first read about this lens, I wondered whether a third of a stop was worth an extra $1500 over the f/1.4 USM. I still wonder. I haven't had a chance to use the 1.4 USM, but I do have my trusty 1.8 II to compare to.

It definitely felt like a solid hunk of glass and metal, especially compared to my little plastic fantastic. Focusing was smooth, well damped, and silent. Unfortunately autofocus wasn't very fast, which is more than slightly irritating considering the razor-thin depth-of-field wide open. After all, if you didn't buy this lens to shoot wide open you really shouldn't have wasted your money, because it's wide open where this lens really shines.

Optically, the two 50mm primes are suprisingly similar, considering that one costs about twelve times the other, except for in one field; bokeh. The 1.2L's creamy, buttery bokeh is an absolute delight to the eyes; I suspect it has a rounded aperture, though I didn't test it past f/2.8. The 1.8 II, on the other hand, gives harsh, choppy blur (a result of it's five-bladed, non-rounded iris) which genuinely does detract from the image.

I didn't have a chance to test the 1.2L's light gathering capability, but I'm guessing it is very, very impressive.

The 1.2L is EXPENSIVE. I seriously doubt that the $2500 ~ price tag is worth it to all but professionals and the most hardcore prime-lens lovers. That money really could be better spent elsewhere, and coming from someone that uses a 50mm focal length 95% of the time, that's a pretty harsh recommendation. The value for money is completely nonexistant.

Verdict: Would love to own, refuse to buy - until money starts growing on trees.

Next (in no particular order) is the Sigma 150-500 f/5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM. I tested the Canon mount, obviously.

This is one hefty lens, about 2kg by my reckoning. For anyone who's used the Bigma (50-500), this is even longer and heavier (EDIT: similar weight. It's definitely longer). Build quality is fine - nowhere near Canon L, for sure, but it does feel like it'll put up with a fair bit of wear and tear (Note: I've been told that this lens doesn't recieve the EX designation as Sigma reserves that for constant-aperture lenses, but build quality seems pretty similar). Nothing wrong with focus - smooth, quiet, and accurate (this copy was, anyway). Pleasantly quick. I do think that zoom was on the stiff side, but as it was quite smooth and of a constant resistance throughout the zoom range, I can let that one go. There is a zoom lock at 150mm to combat lens creep, which I didn't test for.

I'm very surprised at the optical quality of this lens. Considering the very, very affordable price (more on that later), it's absolutely superb. I would be happy to make A3 prints at 500mm, where this lens is weakest. This lens almost matches the 100-400L at 400mm, but softens slightly at 500mm. I'm not a pixel peeper - the largest I view images is full-screen on a 22" monitor - but I'm not wanting sharpness with the 150-500, and it sharpens up beautifully at f/8 or so. (Note: oddly, the Sigma 150-500 looks sharper than the EF 50/1.2L, but that might be focusing issues). Coloring, contrast, and saturation look fine to my eye, as far as I can tell.

I didn't test the image stabilizing, as in a real-life situation I never use it.

Now onto the downside. This lens is SLOW. Starting out at f/5 at the (relatively) wide end, it ends up at f/6.3 at the long end. That means this is a daylight lens for action-stopping sports shots. In lower light, even with the image stabilizer running, you'll have to wind up the ISO to keep that blur down. I had to resort to B&W, maximum ISO (6400 on a 30D) to obtain a 1/200 shutter speed indoors. Fortunately I do have a very steady grip.

Now, the best piece of news. This lens is an absolute steal at about $1300. Yes, it's one-and-a-third stops slower than the EF 500mm f/4L (which I also had the great fortune to try out). Yes, it's not as sharp, nor as solidly built, nor as impressive looking, if that's important to you. But, it's portable, zooms, and most importantly doesn't cost as much as a good second-hand car. I highly recommend it to anybody looking for a long tele without breaking the bank, or a casual-use sports lens (Note: I have heard that it performs unpredictably in AI-Servo. I have not tested this, and have no ability to do so). The 150-500's long reach and fast AF really shine in this area.

Essentially, Sigma's away laughing with this one. Canon doesn't make anything similar other than the 100-400L, which costs a fair bit more, but is slightly faster and shorter.

Verdict: Will consider owning, as I'll rarely use the 200mm + focal length, and I won't like being stuck at f/6.3 (I don't own a lens slower than f/2.8, though I did borrow an EF-S 55-250/4-5.6 for a concert. I did not enjoy the night).

Still to come:
EF 85/1.2L
EF 500/4L
EF 70-200/2.8L IS II
And others I have forgotten.

jackinavox
08-04-2011, 09:02 AM
Thanks for the review :cool:

Looking forward to the rest especially the 85L.

Were there other prime goodies? I'm really interested in buying the 24L or 35L

koruki
08-04-2011, 02:19 PM
I have the Holy trinity, I love the 35L the most and it gets the most use. I think you'll find that the 85L will have is gonna be very similar to the 50 1.2L such as slow focus speed, reason being how heavy the glass element is to move around. The 135L is the quickest to lock on to your subject but its pretty much unusable inside. The 35L renders in a very 3D manner, but 85L renders the way a painter would paint his subject, the background is smooth decoration, when its good its amazing but its tricky to use cause of the slow AF and extremely shallow DOF.

sonicfantom
09-04-2011, 06:02 PM
Sorry, jackinthevox, Canon didn't have any other L primes on the day apart from the EF 500 f/4L. They did have the 16-35 f/2.8L and the 17-40 f/4L, but as I'm not interested in wide-angles at the moment I didn't have a play around with them.

@koruki: What is the holy trinity - is it 35L, 50L, and 85L?

EF 85 f/1.2L and EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS USM II reviews up next.

At a later date:
EF 500 f/4L (this one will be short)
Sigma EX 50 f/1.4 HSM
EOS 7D - yes, it's not a lens, but I was quite impressed.

I'm disappointed that Tamron was a no-show, but considering that Nikon had no presence either, it's not too surprising. Canon did sponsor the convention, after all.

koruki
09-04-2011, 10:32 PM
Sorry, jackinthevox, Canon didn't have any other L primes on the day apart from the EF 500 f/4L. They did have the 16-35 f/2.8L and the 17-40 f/4L, but as I'm not interested in wide-angles at the moment I didn't have a play around with them.

@koruki: What is the holy trinity - is it 35L, 50L, and 85L?

EF 85 f/1.2L and EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS USM II reviews up next.

At a later date:
EF 500 f/4L (this one will be short)
Sigma EX 50 f/1.4 HSM
EOS 7D - yes, it's not a lens, but I was quite impressed.

I'm disappointed that Tamron was a no-show, but considering that Nikon had no presence either, it's not too surprising. Canon did sponsor the convention, after all.

The Trinity is 35L, 85L and 135L. Some people argue its a diff combo, but this is the most well known trinity cause it covers all the ranges the best. The 50 is too close to 35 and 85 and you'd normally get a 50L with a 135L combo instead of 3 lenses.

sonicfantom
10-04-2011, 10:30 PM
Here we go, with the Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II for tonight.

The first thing that you think when you see this lens is "wow, that's a lot of glass". It's actually not that big, taking 72mm filters, but the large front element and it's short, stocky body make it look positively massive.

Again, the EF 85 f/1.2L is very well built, and feels it, with a lot of glass densely packed into a relatively small package. MF action is excellent, though like koruki mentioned, that big weighty package of optics does move relatively slowly. I've been informed that AF speed has been improved from the original EF 85 f/1.2L by 1 1/2 times, if you happen to own that lens.

Optics are superb, as expected. The 85L has none of the 50L's slightly-soft problem - it's very sharp at f/1.2 and only gets sharper as it's stopped down. However it does share it's shorter brother's beautiful bokeh.

The one problem I have with this lens, just like the 50 F/1.2L, is lack of value for money. There's no doubt that it's the fastest 85mm lens available. Unfortunately for Canon, Sigma's 85mm f/1.4 EX HSM comes far too close for comfort in terms of performance*; it's a third of a stop slower, but considering it's a third of the price, Canon has some reinventing (or price slashing) to do.

*I couldn't tell the difference between the two lenses in an A/B comparison.

Verdict: The Sigma is looking far too attractive to me at this point.

Next up:
EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
Canon EF 500 f/4L & Sigma 50 f/1.4 EX & Sigma 85 f/1.4 EX.

koruki
11-04-2011, 07:52 PM
Here we go, with the [SIZE="5"][B]
The one problem I have with this lens, just like the 50 F/1.2L, is lack of value for money. There's no doubt that it's the fastest 85mm lens available. Unfortunately for Canon, Sigma's 85mm f/1.4 EX HSM comes far too close for comfort in terms of performance*; it's a third of a stop slower, but considering it's a third of the price, Canon has some reinventing (or price slashing) to do.

*I couldn't tell the difference between the two lenses in an A/B comparison.

Verdict: The Sigma is looking far too attractive to me at this point.


Law of Diminishing returns :cool:

The 85L is not only faster but better build quality, better color transmission and more accurate/consistent focus. Is it worth the price jump? Thats up to the consumer =)

There is no doubt this is a lens people lust after, they don't really need it and as I mentioned, it is not the most practical of my 3 primes. It makes as sense to own it as falling in love with a gorgeous girl that will make you pay for every dinner and not always give out but you know you can't help it. :envy:

sonicfantom
11-04-2011, 10:09 PM
Indeed, the law of diminishing returns hits exceptionally hard here.

I'm actually not too sure about the better color transmission and focus, but as I didn't test either lens enough to make a call, I'll stand on this one.

koruki
11-04-2011, 10:33 PM
Indeed, the law of diminishing returns hits exceptionally hard here.

I'm actually not too sure about the better color transmission and focus, but as I didn't test either lens enough to make a call, I'll stand on this one.

Color transmission can be argued but if you flip through the samples on the two POTN threads you can see the color is is nicer on the 85L.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=224258&page=627

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=886651&page=163

As for the focus issues, many Sigma owners have expressed regardless of how much the like the new 85 1.4, none will deny the quality control and are having to swap many copies before getting a good one. Once again you get what you pay for as always. :)

*BTW you forgot to mention the 85L is focus-by-wire, which is quite slow.

Frostiboy
18-04-2011, 12:46 PM
great discussions guys keep it goin